Who is gangaji

How else are you going to speak about nothingness? Is this for real? Or are you just trying to speak in chiche to see how people will respond? Brilliant response Sumchicki… But actually I think you give Mark too much credit. That is against everything Gangaji stands for! She has absolutely NO interest in actually looking at any facts what to speak of trying to discuss them!

She is a bogus fraud who can not offer you anything of any substance nor does she practice what she preaches as is evident by the obsession she has with her own comforts and external appearance. IE: Need for a face lift. OF course that type of pragmatic thinking is also not allowed! No, Just do as she says… Not as she does! A Tell-tale symptoms of another new-age-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-cheating-guru!

I would strongly suggest you not watch any more of her self indulging tapes but instead go back and re-read the extensive comments I have already provided to this Blog. Either get a lobotomy or find a real guru who can answer your questions properly instead of just dodging them with the same word juggling rhetoric that has become the Gangaji trademark.

Krishna instructs Arjuna to conquer his mind, not toss it out! Start reading "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" by Bhaktivedanta Swami if you want real spiritual advice which has been applauded by scholars all over the world for the last 40 years. If you need any further help or would like me to answer your questions please let me know and I will be happy to do so. Yours in the service of Lord Krishna. Ojai, Ca. See, the thing is, I have never heard Gangaji tell anoyone how to live.

There was never, ever any addressing at all of rules or doctrines in any way whatsoever. This is, of course, very unGuru-like. All I ever got from her talks was a technique, really for recognizing the mechanisms of my own reactions to what is happening around me.

So I just sort of watched the little clicking, and let it happen, and felt it, but then it went away before it really turned into anger. Now, like Gangaji and ever other human in the world there is no way that I can always, always be on top of these things. I make mistakes.

I continue to be human. So does she. So do we all. But there really is no teaching here. I really, truly have found that when I welcome my fear or anger or pleasure or desire or whatever, when I welcome it with tenderness, let it have me, observe it, it often does dissolve before it takes me over.

She is not, never claimed to be, a Guru. The mind asks the questions and the mind seeks the answers. That is the play of Leela. Believe what you choose to believe, but nonetheless nothing is moot. And nothing is who you are. For the record, what Gangaji speaks about is not a religion.

There is no belief to teach. That is why the idea of a cult is absurd. We have a few people asking intelligent questions, and everyone else refusing to answer, except by giving cultic answers like, stop thinking, asshole. Then we have the overly erudite critic, who is himself a member of a rather odious cult, the Hare Krishnas, criticizing Gangaji for having the temerity to teach Advaita, rather than the one true religion of vedic Krishna-Bhakti.

This makes for much hilarity. Question is, is there ANY intelligent conversation possible here? I have a ton of respect for Ramana Maharshi, Papaji, Nisargadatta, and others in the neo-Advaita line.

What I wonder about most is why Gangaji felt qualified to teach at all, when even her alleged Guru, Papaji, told her she was a fraud and unqualified.

Or am I mistaken on that count? How cultic is it? Points will be awarded for honesty. One was an article on the Papaji website, another an interview with David Godman, who lived with Papaji and wrote the authorized three volume biography of Papaji "Nothing Ever Happened". I also had a long email correspondence with Godman, not spefically related to Gangaji, but her name came up in the course of it, and he repeated the warnings that she was not to be trusted.

What seems to have happened is that all these westerners started showing up almost out of nowhere, and began experiences fantastic awakenings. Papaji was very open and encouraging, and as was his fashion, told many, many people that they were enlightened. This was no really unusual, in that for decades Papaji had told people this sort of thing, in person and in letters, praising people in a very wonderful way. It was of course part of his teaching to make it clear that enlightenment is our natural state, and is to be expected of us, rather than seen as a distant attainment.

Anyway, he related to these westerners this way, including people like Eli, Gangaji, and Andrew Cohen, among many others. He told them to go back to the west and bring this satsang to people back there. And so they did. However, what some did, like Gangaji and Andrew Cohen, was to proclaim themselves enlightened masters, giving their own "satsang", teaching their own teaching, when in fact Papaji had merely expected them to make his own Satsand and teaching available to westerners.

When he heard reports of what some of these people were doing, he was very critical and dismissive of them. Often, he was quite outraged. Within a fairly short period of time, he announced that all these people were not enlightened at all, that they had misunderstood and distorted his teachings, and had turned it into an egoic delusion. He said that it had been a test to see if these people were really serious or not, and his determination was that they were not truly serious about enlightenment.

He very specfically disavowed each and every one of these people, and said that they should not teach others, that they were not at all qualified to do so. When Andrew Cohen returned to visit Papaji, I think about a year after leaving, Papaji laid into him very directly and told him he was not qualified at all to teach.

If he did give such instructions, that is. Mayesvara Writes:. To those who are attempting to understand Gangaji better…. This of course is a very serious offense and is another reason why she should be immediately rejected for all the good reasons Conrad and Papaji have proclaimed. The fact is that Ganaji was originally trained as a therapist and at the foundation of Advaita teachings is the simple art of watching how the mind can spin in all sorts of directions with just the littlest stimulation.

So obviously to become a successful transcendentalist, the first step one must take is to bring the mind under control. If I could honestly give any credit to Gangaji for anything… it would be that she helps her students understand this one simple point. Either she is giving guidance, instructions, lessons, knowledge or insight to her audience or she is not. If she is then according to any gradeschool english dictionary, Gangaji is a teacher.

If she kept her mouth closed, and did not pose as a teacher, then this whole conversation would not have arisen. All this evasive word juggling rhetoric convicts her of not only being a teacher, but a crazy one at that. Using that same reasoning Gangaji is a teacher, albeit a pretty bad one who sends mixed messages, veils her intent by misusing or applying her own meaning to words, ie: Teacher, God, Enlightenment, etc.

In regards to those who participate on this blog, Mark seems to be the classic a-void-ist. He has enough awareness to realize that a yogi must know how to control the mind. But he has misunderstood that only to means one should simply lay back and watch it dance all over the place without actually learning how to keep if from dancing in the first place.

That is what yoga is all about and Krishna explains the process very rationally and logically in the Gita for those who are actually ready to take on the challenges of doing it. One should abandon, without exception all material desired born of mental speculation and thus control all the senses on all sided by the mind. To help them do that she instructs her groupies… like a guru… to watch how their mind jumps around.

Big woop! Is that all they have to prop up her guru charade? Any decent therapist, which is the only recognizable training Gangaji had before she decided to adopt the lifestyle of a self-absorbed mega guru, can do that!

They must become sane and conscious before they can become whole and God consious. Only when they get all their mundane issues cleaned up will they be able to seriously consider the real task of developing the genuine qualities of goodness that bona-fide sages and saints speak about and are know for.

To admit the need of a therapist in order to cope with the world has a negative social stigma. She is practicing group therapy guised as a Guru but she is very coy and too dishonest to openly admit it. Artists have the ability to observe how their hands create in the same way Gangaji recommends that her patients watch how their mind creates.

They sit back and watch how their arm moves between the palate and the canvas as the image begins to emerge. However what makes the difference between a good painter and a bad painter is the subject matter, scrutiny, and technical expertise they have in composing the picture.

Good artists spend a lot of time mastering these skills and they study the techniques and methods of other great artists in doing so. This distinction is what separates Gangaji from a real guru. She just leaves it hanging out there to bounce all over the place while she instructs her followers to watch it like a proverbial ping pong ball bouncing all over the universe! The result is the mind creates even more mischief to the point where everything in life gets reduced down to an Albert Camus like absurdity.

Those who get hopelessly entrenched say really pathetically lame things like:. In this way her disciples act like preschooler finger-painters who get colors all over their hands, clothing, desks and neighbors while they slop tempera paint on brown shipping paper and call it art. The point is that the mind must be consciously focused on something, not just passively observed while it indiscriminately travels all over the galaxy.

Artists who have become very good at focusing their mind often change the world with their visions, insights, and inspiriting talents. Their work may have some sentimental value to the immediate family who gratuitously accept bad art as a sign of affection. It may even get passed around the family for awhile but it eventually ends up in the trash. History has shown time and again that those who lean to focus their consciousness on the name, fame, pastimes and personality of Godhead also rise to the top and leave a lasting impact on the world.

They really influences the consciousness of generations that follow for the better. But because his work was really just splashes of paint that any child could do, it had no real lasting foundation and eventually fell out of favor with the snooty art heads of his day. The only difference is that this time the media is not tempera paint.

Instead it is a lot of rhetorical double talk that attract a lot of shallow foolish followers. It has grown into a cult that is also destined to dissolves into nothing after she dies,..

After ripping off literally thousands of individuals in Southern California for nearly ten years, his mind control manipulations imploded so quickly that in he got hoisted up by his own petards and ended up droning himself in the Long Island Sound. The handwriting is already on the wall. Playing guru like Gangaji does, without any qualifications to do so, is very offensive and carries with it very serious karma for both the self-anointed charlatan as well as those who support them.

Gangajis on the other hand is like a little school girl playing therapist with her Barbi dolls although unfortunately the dolls happen to be real people who are getting cheated left and right!

All they are capable of doing is helplessly sitting back and watching the play of colors as it oozes between their fingers and makes a big mess for someone else to clean up.

They are too pampered or myopic to ever questioning why the play repeats itself or how they might be able to change it from a comedy to a romance. All they can do is sit back and watch whatever their personal antenna happens to bring in. In their black and white world, they consider it lucky to get the neutral test pattern broadcast when the rest of the world goes to sleep or when a particular channel is no longer in use.

There He advises that to have peace, one must actually learn how to control the senses, not recklessly indulge their every whim. But who is willing to teach that? Sorry folks…. Is that what Ramana Maharshi did? He was a strict vegetarian acetic who respected the advice and direction of the Vedas. Ramana Maharshi is highly respected because he is the only person who came close to actually living the Advaita lifestyle since Sankaracarya himself from the seventh century!

Ramana Maharshi was also a great devotee of Shiva while history tells us that Sankaracarya was accepted by everyone as an incarnation of Lord Siva.

Does Gangaji teach any of her followers these commonly known facts? Of course not, because Gangaji has NO respect for anyone. Her whole mission is intended to attract the proud and obsanant who foolishly think that despite their four inherent flaws of: 1 Imperfect Senses, 2 The Propensity to Cheat, 3 Deception by Illusion, and the 4 Propensity to Make Mistakes they can figure out who they are, what life is all about, and particularly who God is on their own.

According to the very Vedas that Ramana Maharshi respected, anyone who thinks they can figure anything out on their own is a fool. Nor can they express such things, neither in their speculations nor in their words. So the bottom line is that Gangaji is a fraud.

When she met Papaji her ego leveraged her training as a therapist and she built herself into a New Age Guru that was much more profitable then seeing patients one at a time and abiding to the laws that regulate that profession. There are hundreds of people teaching the exact same thing in their own perverted self glorifying and profitable way just like she is. Francis Lucliel, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar just to name a few on an extremely long list of self-made bogus teachers who all say the same evasive rhetorical nonsense.

All of this has nothing to do with Eli but his reckless behavior is symptomatic of the whole charade. Eli is the Chesser cat and Gangaji is the Queen of the Heartless.

There is no room for any heart, emotion, or distinctions in the abysmal world of Advaita. Everyone is ultimately being directed by Supersoul to restore their relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Some are only willing to accept His effulgence in the form of the Brahmajoti. Oh what fun! You can merge into the heat and light of fire if you want to… but all the yogis and the Gita itself confirm that to do so is extremely difficult. Those who achieve that state of non-dual awareness would not even be conscious of this blog, what Gangaji says, or even if terrorists blew up New York City.

The only goal Gangaji knows how to point to is the ultimate of narcissistic self indulgence. Everyone is in it only for themselves, and only themselves. There are no ethics, morals, beautiful roses, wonderful feelings, loving exchanges or ecstatic realizations. There is not God. That is not spiritual life… that is spiritual suicide. Those individuals are humble enough to recognize their own frailties and will appreciate the instructions in the Bhagavad Gita like some of the greatest people who ever walked on this Earth.

I will close this commentary with some of the numerous quotes that are available from brilliant minds we should all recognize. These individuals knew the value of the Vedas, and particularly the Bhagavad Gita. Gangaji can tell you she has a better way and Eli can scoff away any book he prefer not to read what to speak of consider carefully. But such bigoted behavior is symptomatic of fools, cheaters, liars and the illiterate. Those who are truly sober and equipoised will at least want to know why this single book had such a profound affect on such outstanding human beings.

We all have the freedom to make that choice on our own. If I can be of any further assistance in this matter please feel free to contact me with your questions or comment.

Ojai, California Everything else appears to be superfluous. In later years celebrated as a sage and visited by luminaries from around the world. He developed his own critical philosophy in which he sought to determine the nature and limits of human knowledge, the necessary categories of consciousness, and their ethical and aesthetic consequences.

It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which exercise us. The reason that the book made so deep an impression on the European mind must be seen in the fact that it acquainted the West for the first time with a mysticism that demands loving devotion to God to be shown in deed rather than in spirit only.

Whenever I was unable to perceive a silver lining on the horizon I opened the Gita and found a verse that gave men new hope. It is one portion of the Mahabharata and the quintessence of all Vedic literature. Human beings are herding animals. Like sheep, we experience a strong pull to believe whatever it appears "the crowd" believes.

In that case, orthodoxy and wide agreement and the like count for very very little. There will always be individuals who foolishly think all sorts of delusional things… but are they really independent when they are completely under the control of the three modes of nature? Just how independent are you?

Can your independence free you from the miseries of life such as sickness, or the torment from other entities like mosquitoes, rats, bad landlords, bosses or business clients? Are you free from the heat of a scorching hot day, the IRS, or the local laws of the land?

Are you so confident with your own abilities that you can honestly say you never made a mistake, were never deceived, or can avoid germs or pollens that might make you sick? The only independence you really have is the freedom to recognize your own limitations which, it is clear by your response, you are still unable to do.

Go back to your silence until you get the clarity necessary to see this simple truth. Instead you choose to remain in denial of your own gross shortcomings and imply that you are so independent, that by dint of your own unique super perception alone you will be able to understand things properly.

So just how unique were they? Someone could feed you certain poisons and you would not be able to detect it. A dog has a better ability to sniff out food then you can and a cat can see much better then you can at night yet you remain so proud about figuring things out for yourself? Even the baby gazelle knows better not to stray too far from the pack, lest he be eaten by the lion… yet you pride yourself in your ability to fly independently into the fire of sense gratification like the stupid moth who is attracted by the very light that will burn him to ash!

Again I ask; Where are the Gagaji clones willing to have a serious conversation about our human predicament? Obviously you are not capable of that because every thing you have used to dismiss my appeal to reason applies equally to yourself. This type of non-sequitor evasive response does not rationally explain your bodacious claim to be able to figure out the mysteries of life all for yourself.

You have failed to reconcile the four obvious flaws of human nature which I repeat again with the hope that you will someday face these challenges directly instead of responding with cute pithy platitudes in an attempt to obfuscate your own ignorance.

If you agree that you have these shortcomings, then how can you claim you have the ability to see, know or understand anything by dint of your own feeble powers? Yes there are enclaves of consensus among all sorts of people… including the bandits who hide in the hills to evade the laws.

That is because everyone is enamored by their own false ego and over inflated pride. So the difference between us is that the people you concur with are not really interested in a serious examination of their own limitations.

Eventually most children grow up and become working and productive citizens in society. Some do not and those individuals are the ones who end up spending their life in jail because of their untamed incorrigible nature. Human life is meant for more then that. Then there are those who have demonstrated that they are extremely intelligent, honest, humble and ethical. After a careful examination our collective human situation they also concur on many common principals even though they may be stretched between cultures, time and circumstances.

For example one of the greatest philosophers of all time Plato, recommended that society is best served when it is led by the saintly philosopoher-king, which happens to be exactly what the Vedas recommend even though the two references are thousands of years apart and from two different places in time and culture. So the conclusions from members of this segment of society is of interest to those who are paying attentions because the principals they agree on are a lot more profound then the rather crude code of ethics that rules the jail-cells of those who are incarcerated for life.

Where are the followers of Gangaji who are prepared to demonstrate that she has been able to teach anything worthwhile at all? Let them come forward and answer these questions. I am ready to listen. Depending on how rigorously one is willing to objectively consider his given situation, a person will evolve to a particular level of understanding.

The type of consciousness we choose to embrace is actually the only freedom any of us have and each one of these different states of consciousness have a corresponding type of reciprocal karmic response. When you grow up spiritually your realize that the laws of nature are not bound to what YOU want or can understand. They are stringent and you are bound to them just like gravity holds us to the earth. Regardless of how much your petty false ego runs around squeaking about independence, freedom and the delusional idea that you can understand anything on your own, the evidence indicates otherwise.

So there are all sorts of groups, religions, belief systems and teachers who are ready to concur with whatever state of consciousness one happens to hover over. After arriving at this obvious axiomatic truth, the intelligent person will inquire… where is the best place to invest my consciousness? You are free to dismiss such inquiry as futile, irrelevant, all true, all false, or all an illusion. On the other hand history shows that astute individuals have not hidden behind the Gangaji cop-out to avoid the quest for a meaningful and purposeful life.

The Gangaji crowd is reticent about any thought process, particularly those that require examining which state of consciousness may actually be superior based on the correlating behavior it manifests. In the world of Gangaji, there is no distinction between the consciousness of the drug peddling, violent gang member thief, and a priest who risks his life to bring medicine to the head-hunter children of Indonesia. Gangaji attracts those who are spiritually lazy, self serving and very poorly informed.

Thinking requires using your brain and employing some intelligent discrimination. But to the brilliant people who I cited at the end of my previous contribution to this dialogue… it not only makes perfect sense, but it is the ONLY thing that makes any sense. The followers of Gangaji can prance around and declare them selves to be free, independent, or whatever other narcissistic thing they want to BELIEVE but as long as they do, they only prove how little education they.

Those who do are hopelessly trapped in their own cult-like, pithy, self-deluding, feel-good maxims that Gangaji has cooked up to fuel their supercharged false ego,. But it is obvious that the opinions of Gangaji are meaningful to you.

Her own insidiously bloviated dogma has polluted your head with so much rhetorical non-conclusive sophistry that you are compelled to defend it despite all the circular logic and false assumptions you must use to do so. Fortunately not everyone is so pathetically conditioned. For myself I appreciate the insight, wisdom, and conclusion of great thinkers from our current history as well as the conclusions held by the most respected sages of India from over thousands of years.

You may wish to hide behind her charade but I prefer the company of individuals who stood out from crowd because they integrated Vedic truths into their lives and successfully sidestepped the quite desperation of trying to figure everything out for them selves. Sure, how you keep your mind makes ALL the difference in how you experience everything in life. When it comes to life-direction, you can follow authorities, or you can pay attention to this moment.

Which one do you like? Each moment will always offer the opportunity to try something different. Once again you are guilty of the very same thing you accurse me of. We are both accepting authorities. Mine happen to be such highly respected brilliant individuals that many of them are honored with the prefix saint.

They say the exact same silly things your beak is now regurgitating. This type of evasive self serving banter has been around for a very long time. Yet still you may exclude them from your frame of reference and proudly claim you are living in the moment, free, and righteous like some instinctive animal who responds to the scent of the hunt or a female in heat.

But then in that case, you are accepting the authority of your own feeble senses which I have now pointed out twice are virtually useless in regards to understanding anything properly. That probably expalins why you are having such a difficult time making any sense at all. Your choose to dismiss the example of the mesquito bite which is in fact just a simple example of miseris all around us which includes heart disease, terminal cancer, Multiple Scerousis, paraplegic mustle failure, poverty, blindness, hurricane Katrina, mudslides, earquakes, Tsunami floods, , racial hatred, crime and genocide etc.

You obviously prefer not to face the real world where many people live in daily fear for their life, or can not find adequate food, or have trouble finding warmth at night. Selfish snotty arrogant fools. You fit the model perfectly. You are living in the most prosperous country in the world and the fact that you have a computer and the leisure to participate on this blog confirms that you are part of a very small minority of people who are extremely well off compared to the majority of other human beings struggling to survive.

Try telling the people of Somilia your brilliant way of making them feel better about the tortore and anarchy they must survive every day and see how well it works! You probably have hot and cold running water, a refrigerator, and numerous other modern comforts that millions of others can only dream about.

You have callously dismissed all the suffering of others with trite indifference and pithy maxims that you now parrot from your feeble authorities as a way to excuse yourself from having to face the cruel harshness of life.

This is the Peter Pan philsophy of Gangaji. Such insensitivity is consistent with those who are attracted to the myopic things Gangaji says. Her audience is for the most part a young, spoiled middle class American who have no desire to grow up, are not very well educated and often suffering from some flavor of mental health problem. As a courtesy to the several hundred people who have been following this dialogue I will not waste my time responding to any more of Stuarts predictably simplistic, routine subject-changing responses to the questions that I have already posed to the entire Gangaji community.

If someone is interested in having a serious dialogue with me then I will embrace it… but if that is the case then let it start by someone first answering the questions that I have repeatedly asked and provide again here for those of you with the short attention span:.

Anyone serious about exploring a legitimate spiritual education will be ready to go beyond the double talk, inconsistent, word juggling jargon of Gangaji and Ekard Tole.

I invite those individuals to contact me with your questions or comments at:. This happens all the time. Jesus H. Anyway, that leads to a question for you. When you take a shower, which authority to you consult to determine if the water is hot or cold?

Try something different and answer my questions instead of posing more evasive, change-the-subject nonsense. Who could tell? My goodness, gentlemen. No one will ever listen to aggression. Not ever. Just leave it off and go in peace. Reconcile the Four Human Flaws. Sorry RedLotus Blossom but what we have here is a complete unwillingness to have a serious dialogue.

With every response he repeatedly illustrates why relying entirely on ones own prowess is completely useless for understanding things clearly. Objective readers that are serious about exploring the true nature of the self have written to me privately and have easily recognized the important questions I have been asking.

This is particularly revealing considering all he needs to do is actually re-read what I wrote carefully. But alas, it is apparently too hard for someone who thinks they are divinely perfect to lower themselves to such a human endeavor.

As a courtesy to the rest of you I will again, for the third time, request any of you who are SERIOUS about genuine self inquiry to explain to me how you can be so absolutely certain about figuring anything out on your own, based on conditional mundane perceptions and the fact that that every Human being suffers from: 1 Imperfect Senses, 2 The Propensity to Cheat, 3 Deception by Illusion, and the 4 Propensity to Make Mistakes.

I have already illustrated how cats can see better then Stuart and dogs can smell better then he can yet he remains so proud about his abilities to know what is real. The fact that he avoids addressing these very serious questions with silly irrelevant opinions is further proof of his propensity to cheat. There are numerous examples in nature how we can be fooled. Sometime we may think we see water, when in fact it is just a mirage. We also misjudge distances and even dangers conditions like poison oak or quicksand which many do not perceive until it is too late.

Yet Stuart apparently feels he is has some superhuman ability and can avoid all these types of errors. Finally there is the simple fact that we all make mistakes including Stuart, as he clearly demonstrates in his short supercilious responses.

As soon as he admits that he makes mistakes then regardless of how proud he is about his own conclusions, only a fool would listen. That is why for myself I am very prefer to accept the good instructions provided to us via the Vedic Literature and a great lineage of bonna-fide sages who are not limited by these four flaws.

Everyone has a choice. We can be like the self proclaimed all-and-mighty-powerful Stuart, and hope like hell that we never make any mistakes, or we can accept good instruction from good sources. On one hand Stuart accuses me of Dogma, on the other hand he says I am promoting my own ideas. That makes him sound more then a wee bit confused, not like a flawless demigod.

Lets see if Stuart can provide even a semi intelligent response to this question of a mere fourteen words:. For the rest of the Gangaji clones who claim that she gave them something tangible here is the bonus question:. This was asked in my previous two posts in the allegedly dogmatic form of the apparently too hard to comprehend paragraph:. Can they answer any practical question that involves basic concepts of right and wrong with anything more significant then: "What they Feel?

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